My Christmas Wish List for QuarkXPress 8
Just to be fair, there are many things I don’t like about a lot of programs — things that I just wish worked differently. Programs will always be a work in progress. Take Illustrator for example. How come every time I use the shortcuts for zoom it always zooms into the center of the document, regardless of what I have selected. That is just annoying.
I can only dream of a day where the program can think faster than me. 10 years ago that was a dream, but today it seems like a very near reality. Memory getting ever cheaper, faster and more capable. Hard drives are dirt cheap. That’s why I look forward to the software engineers catching up to the hardware’s capability.
Before I paint the picture of my dream of QuarkXPress 8, I want to first thank Quark for all the great features that QuarkXPress has, that InDesign does not. And an even bigger Thanks for all the great leaps Quark made in version 7.
- Thumbnail Drag – This is the ability to look at two separate documents in thumbnail view and just drag as many pages as you like, to wherever you want in another document. And the elements appear exactly as they did in the previous document, as long as they are the same sized layout. Even in InDesign CS3, you can’t visually drag pages from one document to another.
- Layouts within a Project – This one was ingenious! The ability to have different document sizes within one file. So far no other program has been able to match this one, other than the now-deceased FreeHand.
- Job Jackets – Finally! At long last, a company like QuarkXPress has blazed the way for designers to take some kind of responsibility for what happens when documents are sent to the printer. It has given graphic departments a powerful tool to control what is being used in their documents.
- Orthogonal Line Tool – I’m huge fan of this tool. Imagine a world where you no longer have to hold Shift to get a 45- or 90-degree line. Incredible! I leave my line tool set to this all the time.
- Shared Content -There are so many levels of greatness to this one. From sharing a part of your workspace so someone else can work on part of your layout, to putting a live QuarkXPress document into another QuarkXPress document and skipping the task of making PDFs or EPSes, sharing both text and images, and making changes to those objects universally by changing one instance… In a lot of important ways this is more useful and more powerful than InDesign’s Object Styles.
- Tool Presets – Set a tool’s preferences, and the tool will always work like that. Tools have a tendency to change in InDesign.
- Borders – Frames (borders) are so easy in Quark! Command + B (Windows: Control + B) type a number, press Return (Windows: Enter) and you’re done. In InDesign, you have to enter a value into the Stroke panel, pray that you have a color, or then bring the stroke to the foreground, pick a color in the swatches panel, hop three times on one leg (just kidding). Never mind the fact that InDesign always aligns a stroke to the center. That means as you change the thickness of a border in InDesign, if you aligned the box to a guide, you have now broken past the guide and have an extra step of aligning the stroke to the inside – and then possibly having to rearrange everything inside the frame. Sorry if you can’t follow that… that’s just how complex InDesign is.
- Measurements Palette – It is so nice to make just about any of the changes you would otherwise find in either the Format or Modify dialog box – directly in the Measurements palette. I’ve almost forgotten some of the shortcuts to get to some of these items, because I find myself using the Measurements palette more and more.
- Drop Down Menus – Drop down menus off palettes in QuarkXPress 7 let you do things like make a paragraph style from your selected text, instead of going to Edit> Style Sheets. Or insert new pages from the Pages palette. This is a great enhancement from previous versions of QuarkXPress. Just click on the double-arrow at the top right of any palette.
- Glyphs Palette/OpenType – In QuarkXPress 7 you have full use of OpenType Fonts and a handy Glyphs palette so you can view every character in a font, and save your favorites for easy reuse.
- Transparencies – From drop shadows, to placing a transparent colored box over an image, these great features were added in QuarkXPress 7. I am so happy I no longer need to use Shadowcaster. :-)
- Full Resolution Preview – I can’t tell you how many editors looked over my shoulder while I was laying out pages in Quark 4 and remarked, “Those images look awful” – then I had to explain that these were low res previews. It was so nice to see Quark fix this issue in QuarkXPress 6, so that you could then turn on a Full Resolution Preview and truly see how the image would print.
- Import and Edit Photoshop Files – Full-res previews of EPS, TIF, JPG, and even Photoshop files. Not only that: you can make major changes to those Photoshop files directly in the context of the page layout. This is unmatched by any other app.
- Cutting & Pasting Images – Cutting and pasting an image from one existing picture box to another existing picture box is so easy in Quark. In InDesign this simple task requires at least 3 more steps.
- Master Page Items – Thanks for not automatically locking items on Master pages. That’s an annoying default in InDesign.
- Klingon Jabberwocky – I always jabber in Klingon. Why wouldn’t I? Anyone can Lorem Ipsum. One of the best little features in Quark. Just go to Preferences> Jabberwocky to change it from Latin to Klingon. Or English. Then change Prose to Verse. There’s nothing as funny as seeing Klingon in verse.
- Measurements Palette – Shows image percentage all the time. No need for the Direct Selection tool like InDesign. For even more info, use Quark’s free XPert ImageInfo XTension (Window> XPert ImageInfo). Its window shows effective resolution after scaling, takes you directly to the image file on your hard drive, and much more.
- Images – Working with images in InDesign is clunky. The whole Section Tool/Direct Selection tool is counter-productive. XPress has it right.
- Text Controls – Most people don’t know it, but Quark copied the text formatting tools from Microsoft Word. (Same keyboard shortcuts, same names, same everything.) That way, even a Word user can format text in QuarkXPress. Try throwing a Word user into InDesign!
- Customer Service – I never imagined myself saying this, but Quark’s customer service is awesome! They are friendly and courteous, I can understand them, and they always stay on the line until the problem is fixed.
Now for my wish list…
Dear Santa,
Please make sure the programmers at Quark print out this list and hang it in their office.
- Option Drag – You should be able to hold down the Option key (Windows: Alt) and make a copy of anything in Quark. Badia has a free XTension for this, but it should just be built right in.
- Bullets and Numbering – It’s about time Quark had this feature.
- Item Content Tool Toggle – Double click the Item tool and it becomes the Content tool. And vice-versa.
- Pen Tool – Shortcuts, shortcuts, shortcuts! Quark needs to add one feature to make its already superior pen tool to into a workhorse: you should be able to hold down the Option Key (windows: Alt key) to adjust one side of a control handle, so that you don’t have to go to a menu.
- Fake Bold and Italic – And also Shadow and Outline. Get rid of them. They have no business being in an application of your stature. Leave that to Word. Just show the main font name and have another box under it that shows all the styles it contains.
- Select all Unused Colors – Yes, your free XPert Tools has XPert FindChange, but it needs to be built into the application.
- Zoom – Command + and – (Windows: Control + and -) for zooming in and out should work while you’re in a text box, not just at all other times.
- Object Styles – To expand what I said above, just build the XPert Tools right into QuarkXPress 8. But enhance the ItemStyles feature by allowing paragraph styles to also be included. Or, better yet, in the Shared Content palette, allow another setting for both images and type that synchronizes content attributes only.
- Apply Next Styles – Yes, I can make Next Styles, but I should also be able to apply them to selected text.
- Eyedropper Tool – A tool that can sample colors, and can also copy and paste text attributes.
- Quark Layouts in Layouts – You should be able to just import a Quark document into another Quark document and then the Collaboration Setup window should just pop up.
- Composition Zones – There needs to be a way to bring a composition zone back into the page and break the link, not just break the link and have it appear as a separate Layout in the Project.
- Table Styles – People use tables; let them save that table as a style so they can apply those attributes to the next table they import.
- Document Presets – Your free XTension XPert PageSets lets me save a new document preset directly in the New Layout dialog box. Build it into the program.
- Library – Library items should remember x y values. That way when you drag in a Library item it will always appear in the same spot is was in when you dragged it in. This way, instead of applying master pages for different layout setups, you could save different layouts in a library.
- Nested Styles – The ability to nest Character styles inside of Paragraph styles.
- Paths from Illustrator – Copy and paste from Illustrator and keep simple paths, or import an EPS that is still editable.
- Map Word Styles – There should be more control in importing a Microsoft Word document. You should be able to map the Word styles to your Quark styles you want, regardless if they are named the same.
- Clear Guides – Add clear guides right under guides in the menu.
- Place Multiple Files – Pick more than one file and drop it into any existing frame.
- Keyboard Shortcut List – Bring back the keyboard shortcut thing you can put above the keyboard and ship it with Quark 8.
- Hidden Quark Alien – Expand the Quark alien animation. How about on the 6th time a bigger badder alien comes out and eats the other alien?
- Vertically Justify Text – Let vertical justification on a text box work as expected, regardless of whether an item above it has a runaround assigned to it. And you’ll be one up on InDesign!
- Fill the Frame – Add one more box-fitting option for pictures: Fill the box with the image and don’t stretch it – just let some hang out on the bottom or the right side.
- Linking Text Boxes – Let me link text boxes that already have text in them.
- Hanging Indent – Add a checkbox to the Tabs dialog box for making a hanging indent.
- Build a Font – I’m really stretching on this one… Put a font builder right into Quark! I’m dreaming – but wouldn’t that be cool? There’s already a Kerning pair editor, so you’re part way there already.
Twas the night before the release of Quark 8…
And all the Graphic Artists were laying in bed with visions of a better pen tool dancing in their heads…
Technical Consultant, Instructor Aquent Graphics Institute
Rob has nearly 12 years of print production experience on top of his formal education in the graphic arts. He worked in production and later as Systems Administrator for Media News, publisher of multiple weekly newspapers in suburban Boston, prior to becoming a consultant and instructor for Aquent Graphics Institute.
Rob’s expertise lies in editorial workflow systems, he is an expert in News Edit Pro, K4, and Woodwing. He teaches both QuarkXPress and InDesign and and has a full understanding of Quark Copy Desk and InCopy. Rob has the ability to observe a production workflow and make suggestions on how to enable people to work more efficiently. Either with a database solution, or something much simpler. He also teaches Illustrator, Photoshop, and Acrobat.
Rob has used QuarkXPress for more than 12 years now and has been teaching both QuarkXPress and InDesign for nearly 3 years. Rob travels around the country seeing real production problems every day. He has the unique perspective of someone who knows what both QuarkXPress and InDesign are capable of, and how they measure up against each other in the different fields they are used in. He has coordinated countless upgrades and conversions between the programs and enjoys meeting new people and examining the different ways people accomplish the same task, and the many different ways people use page layout programs. His real world experience with everything from building templates, font management, and color correction, make him a valuable asset during transitions and upgrades.
On his own, Rob is still a freelance designer, and loves page layout. His favorite interests include his two daughters, Lynda.com, and anything related to Star Wars.
Great Post.
For another great post on things you can do in Quark, but you can’t in ID, check out
http://indesignsecrets.com/things-you-cant-do-in-indesign.php
I would like to comment on a few things. ID can do a lot of things that you say it can’t. Here are some examples.
Thumbnail drag – You can drag pages from one ID layout to another. Simply grab the page from the pages panel.
Borders – It is easy to add a stoke. Select the object and choose the weight that you want for the border. In regards to alignment. You can change that whenever you want. If you always want it a certain way, make an object style.
Glyphs and opentype (ID has this)
Photoshop files – ID can use photoshop files and turn the layers on an off as well. It can’t change blending modes from the layers though. ID can also take native AI, PDF, and INDD files too.
Full res preview (ID has had this forever)
Cutting and pasting images – This works very easily too. Simply select the picture, not the frame and copy. Go to the next frame and choose paste into. (not paste)
Measurements Palette – ID has the control panel which can accomplishes the same thing.
Jabberwocky – Yes, I concede this point. But you can make your own text file and fill it with Kilngon, or even Vulcan and save it as placeholder.txt and put it in your ID folder. Now when you use ID’s placeholder text it will use that text.
Drop down Menus – ID and all Adobe apps have the panel menu’s which are the same thing.
Text Controls – I would disagree. I find the text controls in both Quark and ID excellent.
Now, Here are somethings that Quark can do, that ID can’t that you didn’t mention.
1. Split Screen/View. I love this feature. ID can open the same layout in another window, but it takes some tweaking to get it to look good. Quark has this one right.
2. Picture cells in tables. I love that quark can change a cell from text to a picture in a table. Much much easier than ID.
3. Kerning pairs. I wish ID had this.
4. The pretzel thing on the master page. I like to see that, so I know I am on the master page. (note, when on a masterpage in CS3 your frames have a dashed border to let you know it is a master page item)
Finally, I would like to add a few requests for Quark 8.
1. LET US USE ARROW KEYS IN MENUS! I hate the fact that if you have your cursor in the type size you can press up or down and have the number change. Let this type of common sense usability be used throughout your app.
2. Remove the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. (BOLD, ITALIC, SHADOW, OUTLINE) Yes, you mentioned it, but it needs to be repeated.
3. Let me place text when I have a text box selected, but i still have the item tool selected. You don’t want to be near me when Quark beeps because I don’t have the content tool selected.
4. Custom Keyboard shortcuts. Is it too hard to let me type “z” and get the zoom tool. (yes, I know all of the tricks, but come on.)
5. Let us work on the page when we have a menu window open (like paragraph attributes) I hate that you have to close the window, make a new selection and then go back to the menu window again. Yes, you can use the measurements palette, but it doesn’t have everything.
5.5 Add a preview checkbox. I hate having to click apply nonstop.
I am sure people will have more, but this is a start. I don’t want to make this seem like Quark Vs ID. I just want both programs to push each other to make each other better. That way, everyone wins with a better product.
Hi Robert,
First, let me start by saying that I love PlanetQuark as a resource for users.
However, I must say I am really disappointed in your article about what Quark has that InDesign does not.
I use both on a daily basis as a designer at my job, and am sorry to say that while I do pull for Quark for somethings, InDesign does a lot of the things that you say it doesn’t. Your issues with borders, full-res previews, measurement palettes, glyphs, cutting and pasting, and thumbnail drag are all available in InDesign and are really non-issues if you know where they are and where to look.
I hope that in the future you research your sources more carefully before you post an article like this.
“Master Page Items – Thanks for not automatically locking items on Master pages. That’s an annoying default in InDesign.”
NOT!
Again and again, my company gets burned by the too-easy to screw-up feature…
What would be so hard about making it a document preference/checkbox?
And please, don’t tell me about the convoluted 2 layer “solution”
To Fritz, AnyFool, and Kevin Stohlmeyer ,
I just want to clarify a few things… When I wrote, “I want to first thank Quark for all the great features that QuarkXPress has, that InDesign does not. And an even bigger Thanks for all the great leaps Quark made in version 7.” Some of the features I talk about were new in Quark 7, and some of the features are just Quark specific. I just put them all together. I probably should have separated the two, to avoid confusion. For example, I know InDesign has a Glyph panel, I was thanking Quark 7 for the improvement, not saying that InDesign does not have one. So just to clarify the situation, here is the list broken up into new features of Quark I am thankful for, and things Quark can do better easier or you just can’t do them in InDesign. And I’ll point out which is which.
Quark 7 — Thanks for the updates
Measurements Palette
Drop Down Menus
Glyphs Palette/OpenType
Transparencies
Full Resolution Preview
Import and Edit Photoshop Files
Customer Service – Of course they both have a customer service center.
Quark Specific
Thumbnail Drag – You can thumbnail drag pages in InDesign. In CS2 you could drag from the pages palette and the page would automatically go to the end of the document you dragged it to. InDesign addressed this problem in CS3. They now have a move pages command from the panel menu, which lets you decide where you want to drop them in the other document. I simply think Quark’s way of doing this is better, because when you look at both documents in Thumbnail view, you can visually decide where to place pages as you move them. You cannot do this in InDesign.
Layouts within a Project – You cannot have different document sizes in an InDesign document.
Job Jackets – InDesign does not have anything like this.
Orthogonal Line Tool – You have a line tool in InDesign, but it does not draw horizontal and vertical lines by default. You must hold Shift.
Shared Content – This tool is more powerful than InDesign’s Object Styles, simply for the fact that if you change the words in a shared content object, they will all update across all instances of the shared content.
Tool Presets – Yes you have presets in InDesign, they just get overridden too much and change on you!
Borders – Of course you can add a Border in InDesign! I simply mentioned it was easier.
Cutting & Pasting Images – Too much work in InDesign.
Master Page Items – Items are not automatically locked in Quark.
Klingon Jabberwocky – Quark only.
Measurements Palette – Shows image percentage all the time – It does in Quark, only when you have the image directly selected do you see these values in InDesign.
Images – Working with images in InDesign is clunky.
Text Controls – I just think they are easier in Quark.
Thanks for participating!
Rob
Thanks for the clarification Rob, but I do have some counter points.
Thumbnail Drag- ID has this same function, in fact it removes one step. In Quark you must go into thumbnail mode 1st, then move pages between documents. In ID, you can simply select the page you want from the pages panel. When you drop the page into your new document it prompts you to place it where-ever you like.
Layouts within a project – Quark does have the upper hand here, but you can purchase the page control plugin from dtp tools for ~$80 which will allow you to have different size pages within the same layout.
Shared Content – Object styles have nothing to do with shared content. There are a few option for this. You can simply place an ID file inside another ID file if you need to. Another option is to use text variables to create synchronized text throughout your layout.
Tool Presets – ID doesn’t have them
Borders – I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I think they are easy in both programs. But you can’t put a border on text in Quark. (not without jumping through hoops at least)
Master Page Items – I think that both programs should have preferences for locking master page items by default or not. I can see both sides of the argument for this. Personally I prefer them locked, unless I need to unlock them. Plus if you want to put something into the frame all you have to do is click on it with a loaded cursor, or drag and drop on it and it will unlock itself.
Klingon Jabberwocky – Best Feature Ever. But check out http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/developer/corporateipsum.html for corporate lorem ipsum widget from apple.
Measurements Palette – The info panel will tell you the resolution of the file at all times.
Images and text – Agree to disagree. Both programs have their advantages and disadvantages here.
I have to disagree about copy/paste of frame contents…if you have ‘A’ Tool selected (to indicate the contents instead of the container), then you click once on the content (photo or whatever the content is) to select it, hit “cmd-C” to copy and then click on the target box if there is one (it will create one if not) and hit “cmd-opt-V” and it pastes your image into the new box. Cut/Paste Into works the same way.
click, keystroke, click, keystroke. you never have to move your fingers from the bottom row of the keyboard. how, exactly, is this easier in Quark?
I’ve been asking Quark for this for 10 years.
I’d like to be able to shift-highlight (or option-highlight; I don’t care what extra key stroke is used) so I can at one time highlight text at different places within a story so that I can then click once on a style sheet and have it applied to everything that is highlighted.
This has got to be the easiest and quickest improvement for Quark to do.
I’ll second that, Robin.
I actually will do preliminary work in Word (aagh) for just that reason, being able to select non-adjacent blocks of text.
most of your points are valid. i have not been able to test quark 8, every version before 8 have been amateurish compared to ID CS, CS2 and CS3. vital things as inside and outside picture boxes have been available in ID for a long long time. nested styles, which is absolutely brilliant. the fact old quakers can modify ID to use quark commands. Hi-res preview and WYSIWYG text have been standard for ID. This part of Quark have SUCKED, and is THE most important thing about these applications.
then quark 8 seems like a huuuuuge improvement. most of the vital aspect have been fixed. but maybe the most time-saving thing about ID – if (and i say if because it doesnt quit nearly as much as Quark), you dont lose a thing. all you have to do is start the program again, and your work is done. i have lost a lot of time doing the same thing ten times because quark have been ustable and quits. i hate it because of that. have they fixed this now?